Kann man Beinpresse auch anders ersetzen?

[IceSkipper]

hi,

ich wollte frage, ob es alternative möglichkeiten gibt für Beinpresse? Vorzugsweise mit Langhantel.

Danke im Vorraus

[Furious Al]

Kniebeuge?

[PhilippAlex]

Alternative? Kennst du die wichtigste Beinübung überhaupt? Kniebeugen!!!

[IceSkipper]

Hab ich mir auch schon gedacht, man macht bei Kniebeuge die gleiche Bewegung wie bei Beinpresse.

aber nach meinen "neuen" plan steht es so:

TE1: Bankdrücken, Kniebeugen, Klimmzüge im Untergriff Schulterbreit gefasst
TE2: LH-Rudern, Kreuzheben, Frontdrücken
TE3: Beinpresse, Shruggs, Dips

Kann jemand helfen?

[m-top]

Ich vermute mal das du zu Hause trainierst?
Kniebeugen dann einfach 1x front und einmal hinten--oder 2x hinten.

Gruß
M-TOP

[IceSkipper]

Ja richtig,

also mit Front meinste auf die Brust anlehnen und Los
oder?

THX

[Pottproll]

Ja richtig,

also mit Front meinste auf die Brust anlehnen und Los
oder?

THX

Frontkniebeuge (front squat)

Bei dieser Abwandlung der Kniebeuge hält man die Hantel nicht auf dem Rücken, sondern vor dem Körper auf den Schlüsselbeinen oder den vorderen Schultermuskeln. Alles andere Entspricht der Technik der klassischen Kniebeuge, oder man neigt die Unterschenkel absichtlich nach vorne, um mehr Belastung auf den Quadrizeps zu legen. Durch den weiter vorne liegenden Schwerpunkt erlaubt die Frontkniebeuge eine aufrechtere Oberkörperhaltung, dadurch eine tiefere Beuge. Außerdem ist mehr Kraft in den Bauchmuskeln erforderlich, um bei aufrechterer Körperhaltung in den tiefen Positionen den intraabdominalen Druck zu erhalten. Die Frontkniebeuge ist eine gute Wahl für Sportler, die mehr Gewicht auf den Quadrizeps legen wollen, oder für Sportler mit sehr ungünstigen Proportionen oder stark eingeschränkter Beweglichkeit, die mit der Tiefe in der klassischen Kniebeuge Probleme haben.

Mit der rechten Griffweise wirst du wohl am besten klarkommen.

Oder mach Hackenschmidt:


Oder ich würde persönlich zu Ausfallschritten mit der LH raten.

[Squat-Squad]

TE1: Bankdrücken, Kniebeugen, Klimmzüge im Untergriff Schulterbreit gefasst
TE2: LH-Rudern, Kreuzheben, Frontdrücken
TE3: Beinpresse, Shruggs, Dips

Kann jemand helfen?

Gerne!

Frontdrücken bei TE 2 raus, dafür Dips rein.

Und jetzt verbinden wir Shrugg, Frontdrücken und Kniebeuge zu einer Übung. TE 3 schaut dann also so aus:

Hantel umsetzen vom Boden (wahlweise aus dem Stand) und Frontdrücken anschließend eine nette Überkopfkniebeuge. Hantel auf den Boden, neu ausrichten und die nächste Wiedrholung.

Erweiterung 1: Selbstverständlich kannst Du zwischen umsetzen und drücken noch eine Frontkniebeuge mit einbauen. Dann kannst Du auch höhere Gewichte benützen und mit pushpress aus der Frontkniebeuge heraus stoßen. Aber erst würde ich leicht anfangen.

Erweiterung 2: Nach der ÜKKB kannst Du die Hantel auch noch in den Nacken runter lassen und eine normale Kniebeuge ausführen. Anschließend mit pushpress wieder nach oben.

Das ist meine eigene, etwas umgebaute Version von The Bear. Wegen der von mir eingebauten Überkopfkniebeugen hab ich sie zyko zu Ehren EISBÄR getauft.

Und außerdem würd ich die Klimmzüge in TE 2 ausführen und in TE 1 rudern.

So macht der Plan Sinn, denk mal drüber nach!

[Squat-Squad]

Und weil ich heut meinen guten Tag hab, gibts noch die motivierenden Betriebsanleitung für die Original-Übung (also ohne Überkopfkniebeuge. Ich würde aber IMMER die ÜKKB mit ausführen und dafür lieber weniger Gewicht verwenden) hier rein:

Bear Season

Learn to perform the most brutal exercise ever created!
by Coach John Davies

When the kid completed his set, he looked at me, smiled, and promptly collapsed in a sweat-soaked heap. When he finally got up, smiled again, and grabbed the bar for another grueling set, I knew he was a Renegade. The kid had looked the Bear right in the eyes and accepted his challenge. By coming back for another set of what is perhaps the most vicious exercise around, he'd shown me who the real animal was in this gym.

What's the Bear?

The Bear is a series of exercises piled into a single "complex" and performed all at once without rest. It's a man-maker of the highest order and most people in your gym don't have the guts to perform it. Do you?

Grin and Bear It

Before I tell you how to perform the Bear, let me tell you why it's one of the most important exercises you can do in the gym.
Weight training has both evolved and devolved over the last few decades. While we know more today about the science of muscle building and sports performance than ever before, we've also lost something amongst all these "technological advancements." Gone is the day of overall strength, just being able to pick something up and toss it aside. This raw, aggressive display of athleticism has been replaced with an over-specialization in a few movements such as the bench press.

Many young coaches and weight trainers continually focus on putting up numbers that may or may not lead them any closer to their goals of improved performance and increased general health. This is part of the problem I see today with many athletes and just regular people trying to get into shape: they all lack functional strength.

Enter the Bear

This movement is reaching legendary status among those who dare to try it. The Bear is a brutal test of courage and a real challenge both physically and mentally. It's also great for showing you exactly where your weak links are. The Bear, probably more than any other single movement, will zero in on those weaknesses and, in many cases, fix them.

Another advantage of this beast is it teaches the body to work in a single harmonious fashion. Your body will become a seamless series of links: fluid, powerful, fast, and with great range of motion.
Training complexes like the Bear will improve power production and lead to hypertrophy. Furthermore, because of the total body approach to this movement, additional physiological benefits are gained with demands on motor skill coordination in an extraordinarily short period of time. Yes, for those in a time crunch, complexes like the Bear get the job done in a hurry.

Anatomy of the Bear

The Bear is basically five lifts in one, but with some subtle differences in how I piece them together. It's comprised of the following:

1) Power clean (from the hang position usually, but it can also be done from the floor)
2) Front squat
3) Push press (from front of shoulders)
4) Back squat
5) Push press (from behind the shoulders)

You'll need to comfortably be able to perform each of these components with satisfactory technique. I like to personally add the "stomp" into the power clean portion of the lift and substitute the push jerk for the push press, but I'd only recommend this for lifters with topflight technique.
In performing this lift, first ensure that good form is maintained throughout with full range of motion. The training load should be based upon the push press maximum. This is important: check the ego. Don’t underestimate this bad boy; use an appropriate weight.
In performing this lift, I follow a basic protocol of varying intensity between 50 and 65% for three to four sets of six reps with roughly two minutes rest between sets.

Set-Up

Enough of the pleasantries; time to bring it. As you stand over the bar, keep the eyes focused straight ahead on a single point (called the focal point). Keep your eyes on this point throughout the lift. Drop eccentrically into the proper neutral position (which is roughly a 45 degree angle) and bring the bar to slightly above the knees. This "hang" position is where you'll begin the complex.

Step 1: The Power Clean

With the bar above the knees, vigorously pull and explode upward performing a power clean. Drive your hips through as the bar ascends and re-bend at the knees as you fully extend the ankles, hips and shoulders upward. Shoot your elbows underneath the bar and catch it on the top of the shoulders, creating a solid "rack" position.
As I noted, I personally prefer exploding (leaping) up and making a hard contact to the ground with a foot stomp, but that isn't imperative and should only be attempted by those with solid technique and experience.

Step 2: The Front Squat
From the "catch" position of the power clean, drop quickly into the full front squat by pushing your buttocks back and going to a rock-bottom floor position. Drop down to the basement if your flexibility allows it!

Step 3: The Push Press
From the bottom of the front squat you're going to come back up, of course, but here's the catch: as you reach the top of the front squat, continue to drive the weight up with your arms to perform a fluid push press. Extend your arms overhead and lock the weight out with total control.

Step 4: The Back Squat
Tired yet? We're just getting started! From the top of the push press, lower the bar behind your head and get into a standard back squat position. Remember though, these aren't jerky, robotic movements. They're fluid and blend together seamlessly as your body never really stops moving. So as the bar touches your upper back, you immediately drop into the back squat — Olympic style, butt to heals.

This is definitely a dramatic difference in how I perform this lift and a crucial element with the Bear. It's done with blazing speed; you'll feel yourself "bending" the bar down and, in fact, exerting pressure on your shoulders. Few people are used to descending with speed, so pay careful attention to technique and ensure that your training loads are light enough.

Step 5: Another Push Press
From the "basement" of the back squat, rebound and explosively drive the weight upwards, performing another push press. Again at the top of the lift, lock out the weight, then lower the bar to the original start position. That's one rep of the six you'll be performing in this set!

Now Go Bring It!

Remember to keep everything moving fluidly; one part of the complex blends into the next. It's poetry in motion really, and after a few sets you'll see why the Bear is an important element in all my athletes' programs. Give it a shot and see if you have what it takes to beat the Bear!

About the Author
Coach Davies is a regular contributor to T-mag. He's just released his second book, Xtreme Sport Training — Renegade Style, with tremendous acceptance from the athletes in the X-action sports. His first book, Renegade Training for Football, has become the reference guide for winning football teams across the country.

IMHO, so schaut Anfängertraining aus - HIGH-REP-SQUAT-WORK!!! Da brauchts kein Schicki-Micki-Studio und kein Maschinen-Gewixe. Nur eine Hantelstange mit Gewichten, eine Möglichkeit für Klimmzüge und 2 Stühle oder Gerüstböckchen zum dippen. Da brauchst noch nicht einmal Geld für eine Hantelbank, die Dips erledigen den Job sowieso besser.

[Jipp]

nach meinen "neuen" plan steht es so:

TE1: Bankdrücken, Kniebeugen, Klimmzüge im Untergriff Schulterbreit gefasst
TE2: LH-Rudern, Kreuzheben, Frontdrücken
TE3: Beinpresse, Shruggs, Dips

-> ist das zufällig der TP vom Maztek, den er hier mal gepostet hat?