die wahrheit/the truth-musti, milos usw.

**asani** · 11.03.2006, 00:44

da wir den arnold classics threat nicht weiter mit dem thema ins offtopic gleiten lassen wollen, das thema aber denn noch sehr wichtig halten, haben wir uns entschieden dazu einen neuen threat zu eröffnen.
da es sich um ein sehr heikles thema handelt, bitte ich euch, diskutiert sachlich und ohne beleidigungen!

As we don t want to get to much offtopic on the arnold classic disussion, we decided to create a new thread, as this discussion is important.
As the whole thing is very delicate, please stay objective and don t go overboard with personal attacks.

Milos Sarcev:

"I was informed about this thrad and I would just like to make myself available to answer ANY questions members or moderators might have for me.

As I unquestionably ALWAYS stay behind everything that I do and say - I am open for criticism about my decision to expose true Mustafa to bodybuilding comunity.

People can only assume things and make their judgements - but I am here NOT TO HIDE but face any charges that members might have.

I believe that I proved more than once my friendship and loyalty to Mustafa (spanding night in Las Vegas and week later in Amsterdam's local hospitals. Than sticking up for him in IFBB case when he was warned that he will loose his pro card - and getting in argument /for him/ with top IFBB officials. Finnaly, after arranging a MD photoshoot for him with double the fee - I got in argument FOR HIM with MD editor and photographer.

Also, after personally paying for his hotels in New York, Texas and Charlotte competitions, paying the airfaire for him to Texas and Charlotte, putting him in hotel accross the street of my gym for 7 weeks (total)...and numerous other things (that normally I would not mention - but now I am - FOR A REASON) ...he asked me for a personal loan - which he never returned.

Than he asked me to come back this year and prepare AGAIN in my gym (at my expense) which I refused.
He later contacted his personal friend Faramaz (NPC top amateur bodybuilder) and asked him if he can stay with him...
Faramaz called me and asked me what happened - and I told him the truth.
Day latter Mustafa called me and told me he is going to kill me IF I tell this to anyone!?!

At the Ironman Mustafa approached me infront of Armin, Heiko and several other people like nothing happened.
I refused to shake his hand as I told him I don't respect him...

Day after the contest I got the call from John Lindsay (San Francisco promoter) stating that he doesn't want me to bring any athlete to San Francisco that would make trouble - like Mustafa did to Ironman's promoter John Balik.
I told him that Mustafa is NOT my athlete.

After the Arnold classics - official IFBB athlete representative Bob Chichorillo told me that he has serious problem with my athlete (Mustafa) and that Mustafa's actions WILL NOT BE TOLERATED by the IFBB.
He announced on live TV that he is inded surprised that one of my athletes would react like this.

So, to make story simple - I never responded to "my problem" with Mustafa publically before - as I was keeping it private.
However, due to repeating actions of Mustafa that are also affecting me - I wanted to put things in prospective and explain EXACTLY what is going on.

As many people could confirm what I am saying (but for some reason they are not speaking like I do??) Mustafa has a habit of asking for a loan and never returning back.

Even though my public spaeking about this issue lowers my standard and class (and it is certainly not good thing for my image) I choose to do it JUST TO SAVE SOME OTHER NAIVE PEOPLE (like I was) about trained professional (Mustafa) who knows very well how to scam people for money.

As I know that Mustafa reads this board - he knows that everything I am telling you here is what I told him and WILL TELL HIM AGAIN every time I see him.

And as far as his death treat to me - THAT'S ANOTHER STORY..."

**janis_t** · 11.03.2006, 00:56

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**garraeth** · 11.03.2006, 01:11

Quite an embarrassment for Milos to have to aire his grevances about Mustafa publically in such a private issue. This doesn't have anything to do with money (Milos charges $350/hour for training and lives in Southern California, so he's got plenty), it's about revenge for Milos and the public humulation of Mustafa.

Mustafa is one of the most under-rated bodybuilders: www.teammustafa.com

**MeMotion** · 11.03.2006, 01:22

Es wurde hier ja von einigen behauptet, wie z.B. Mac Ten
Zitat: Und ich finde es schon schade das jetzt plötzlich alle aus ihren Löchern gekrochen kommen um auch mal auf Mustafa einzuprügeln

Ich denke, dass dort einige dabei sind die sehr enttäuscht sind. Und man merkt denke ich auch eins sehr deutlich, dass die Leute die vorher Musti am meisten hochgelobt haben, jetzt schweigen.

Ich denke, dass es jetzt wirklich mal an der Zeit ist, dass sich Musti hier auch zu den Vorwürfen mal äußert. Denn wenn das ganze hier auch zu Milos durchgesickert ist, dürfte Musti erst recht von diesen Diskussionen auch auf diesem Board wissen. Und durch ein Schweigen verhärten sich die Gerüchte nur mehr.

Zu dem Thema, dass von den pros auch immer öfter privates an die Öffentlichkeit gelangt ist meiner Meinung nach auch absolut ok. Denn auch dafür sind sie Pros und verdienen ihr Geld. So wie auch jeder andere Star in der Öffentlichkeit steht und auch zwangsläufig privates an die Öffentlichkeit gelangt. Denn jeder will ja mehr von seinem Idol wissen, wie und wo er lebt, was er macht etc.

**Milos Sarcev** · 11.03.2006, 02:16

Zitat von garraeth

Quite an embarrassment for Milos to have to aire his grevances about Mustafa publically in such a private issue. This doesn't have anything to do with money (Milos charges $350/hour for training and lives in Southern California, so he's got plenty), it's about revenge for Milos and the public humulation of Mustafa.

Mustafa is one of the most under-rated bodybuilders: www.teammustafa.com

Interesting thing is that you know my financial status...Like I have plenty of money...
While I said numerous times I was helping Mustafa FREE of charge (and other bodybuilders know my fee) I was also put in position to help him financially as he would come to California with no money and big plans.
Hotel accomodation for total of 7 weeks in California is one of the things that he expected from me...but than I realized he expected everything else as well. I am talking about absolutely EVERYTHING: food, supplements, even a phone card...plus obvious airfaire and hotell accomodations to the shows he was doing.
In between numerous gifts to his family...and him personally.
While we had understanding that this was my friendship help to him as I wanted to support him to accomplish something and secure his family - he destroyed everything by "cheating me" into giving him a loan.
Loan was something that he was going to return as soon as he comes back from Olympia...and you all know what happened.

Now, I don't need to disclose my financial report but - as I made a lot of things possible for Mustafa and his family - his loan put me in death that I still didn't recover from.
I had to borrow the money from my close friends to be able to come up with the sume he needed.
After weeks of not returning my money I told him that he should think of my ONE daughter that I have (comparing with his three kids) and realize that I will have nothing to give her or the rest of my family during the Chistmas - as my money is in his bank.
He could care less.

So, what kind of revenge is this?
I want people to know what Mustafa is all about.
As I said IF I had read similar thing about him before I gave him a loan - I (and my family) would not be in position I am in today.

It is interesting to me that some people approve what he did - and for those that do - I have nothing really much to say.
For others - I am just issuing friendly warning...as Mustafa is great actor that would make even the toughest people cry with his heart-breaking stories.

**Bullzeye** · 11.03.2006, 03:10

After reading your story and your points of view, i am really interested what mm now going to do.

But milos why are so naiv and watching the whole world with blue eyes? After buying whole the stuff, food, supps, etc...

You can stop it before the whole story began, did mustafa promise anything?

Any contacts to MM friends or family? What they think?

best regards,

Bullzeye

**Milos Sarcev** · 11.03.2006, 04:18

Zitat von Bullzeye

After reading your story and your points of view, i am really interested what mm now going to do.

But milos why are so naiv and watching the whole world with blue eyes? After buying whole the stuff, food, supps, etc...

You can stop it before the whole story began, did mustafa promise anything?

Any contacts to MM friends or family? What they think?

best regards,

Bullzeye

Well, as they say it is a thin line between KIND and STUPID...and I crossed that line many times in my life.
I was raised to be good, nice and helpful to people.
If I could help and make someone happy - that was my duty (as my parents told me so).
My naivness was simply as I unconditionally believed Mustafa and his wife Susie.
As you asked - YES, I talked to Susie few times and she was the one confirming everything Mustafa was saying...

Since than I didn't talk to anyone from his family.
Did Mustafa promised anything?

YES - he promised to pay me back...He even insisted that he wrote every penny he ever got from me and that (as Muslim) his duty is to pay me back every cent...
At the time - I wasn't asking him to pay me anything as THAT part of my support was just my help for his career and for his family.
But, when he asked for a LOAN situation was completely different.
He knew that I don't have a money to give him - but as he insisted that he would pay me right back - I made a miracle collecting all the money in matter of only three days to make wire transaction to his bank.

He is aware that I borrowed money from my friends and from my gym cash register - and that money was going to be returned as soon as Mr. Olympia was over.
Mustafa was playing me for weeks - stating how he never got the check (for $12000.00) from Olympia - until maybe 5 weeks later...
Than, when he finally got the check he deposited in his bank - after I warned him that if he does that bank will stop those funds and he would not be able to give me my money that was already way over due...

Of course BANK kept the money (as supposedly he owes a lot to the bank) so he was not being able to send me my money...etc, etc...

**androgen 2000** · 11.03.2006, 06:44

Diejenigen,die mm schon länger kennen,oder mal mit ihm zu tun gehabt haben werden diese "geschichten" weder sonderlich überraschen,noch werden sie allzuviel zweifel über deren wahrheitsgehalt haben.

Womit ich natürlich nich behaupten will (und kann) das erwähnte anschuldigungen stimmen,aber.................

mfg andro