Ich habe immer gelernt, dass die kraft zwar aus der hüftstreckung kommt, aber der erste druck mit der schulter gegen den bar geht so dass der maximale vorbeugewinkel am tiefpunkt erreicht wird.

louie simmons lehrt das ja auch.

allerdings scheint es neuerdings leute zu geben, die wollen das man zuerst den hintern nach hinten oben hebt und dann quasi im 2. teil der bewegung ein good morning (übertrieben gesagt).

das ganze wird "hip drive" genannt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yha2X...layer_embedded

habe ich da was verpasst und die art wie simmons und co. beugen lehrt ist veraltet?

louie hat dazu ja folgendes geschrieben:
"What stance should you use? Everyone should box squat with a wide stance, because this builds the all-important hip muscles. Thirty years ago, the great Jim Williams said to train as wide as possible and pull your stance in, to a point, to break parallel at meet time. If you watch a great squat technician, you will notice that he bends only at the hips, the knees don’t go forward, and his back does not move.
While descending in the squat, never squat down. Always squat back! If you push the glutes back, the knees will not go forward. In fact, if you sit back far enough, the shins will be past vertical. This is only possible with box squatting. And it’s important because this causes a great stretch reflex. Also, by forcing your knees apart, you are significantly increasing your leverage, by shortening the distance between the hip and the knee joint. If you pull your knees together, you increase this distance and create poor leverage. In addition, this is a sign of weak hip muscles.
After breaking parallel, you must first push against the bar. After all, the bar is what we are trying to raise. Unfortunately, you see many lifters who push with their feet first. This causes you to bend forward Into a good morning position, which is opposite of what you are trying to achieve, in addition to being dangerous. When your back bends, you are likely to miss a squat or get injured. "


das scheint aber genau das zu sein, was diese leute wollen.

was denkt ihr darüber? ist mein verständnis von guten beugen veraltet?